Ok. Perhaps you can help me. Can you supply any quote that contradicts the above. Can you provide anything that supports your view that compatibilist free will does depend on metaphysics (i.e. support for your belief that any formulation of compatibilist free will must include a definition of...
You seem to be allowing your deeply felt animus to compatibilism to cloud your thinking.
Absolutely nothing I've posted could possibly justify the personal disparagement above.
Just to be clear, in my interactions with you I haven't once attempted to justify compatibilism. My only reason for...
Determinism/indeterminism is not the contentious issue in this dispute because, for compatibilists, the deterministic/indeterministic nature of the universe is irrelevant.
I don't normally like resorting to posting quotations in support of my argument but in light of your stubborn...
I was aware that you'd used the phrase previously. When you used that phrase again it seemed you were making a point so I (over)reacted ! I'm still not clear why you interpreted my "determinism/indeterminism is irrelevant to compatibilists" as "without regard to anything else that might be true...
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that "the debate" is about determinism. It's not. It's about what we mean by free will and moral responsibility.
I've no idea where you got "anything else that might be true of the universe" from? I've solely been talking about the deterministic nature of the universe. And, yes, compatibilists believe free will is compatible with determinism 'without regard to how it is defined.
That determinism is...
It might seem that way to someone who doesn't understand the claims of compatibilism.
Yes, Compatibilist free will is the ability to act on one's own desires, motives, or will without external coercion or impediment and this ability exists regardless of the deterministic/indeterministic nature...
Yes.
Of course they define their conception of free will (I've never suggested otherwise). They don't specify the precise definition of determinism because it's irrelevant. If they did it would man that they were incompatibilists with regard to any version of free will that didn't fit that...
Of course it can. I don't think you fully understand the basic claims of compatibilism.
Essentially compatibilism is simply the belief that free will is possible whether or not the universe is deterministic. Whether or not determinism is true is irrelevant to compatibilism.
It really doesn't...
But nobody disagrees with you! If you really believe this is a contentious issue then I can only conclude that you misunderstand the nature of the compatibilist/incompatibilist dispute.
Of course I am! As is every compatibilist! If you haven't grasped this then you have genuinely misunderstood...
Yes it demonstrates quite clearly the mistake you're making.
It's not. Compatibilism is simply the belief that free will and determinism are compatible. Compatibilists can be determinists, indeterminists or agnostic - Compatibilism makes no claims about determinism/indeterminism.
It's not...
Great!
So you agree that libertarian free will is incompatible with determinism. If this was the sole point you've been making, who has disagreed with you? It's a universally understood and accepted attribute of libertarian free will (that it's incompatible with determinism) so it really...
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