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No one gives a shit what happens in Stockton. :(
The only thing I know about Stockton is that it was one end of the world's first steam powered public railway, the Stockton and Darlington, which opened 200 years ago this year.

(As you likely guessed, the other end was at Old Etherley Colliery, near Bishop Auckland. Darlington was near the middle of the route, and was home to the railway depot and headquarters.)
 
I’d like to correct what I see as a misconception. Trump supporters are not necessarily conservative (certainly not in the traditional sense).
Many are conservative by the definition I learned in high school: A conservative is someone who wishes to either maintain the status quo or return to a period of time in the past.
Alternatively a conservative is someone who wishes to keep what is good and works and change what is not good and/or not working.
That is a description of rational behavior not political ideology.
 
I’d like to correct what I see as a misconception. Trump supporters are not necessarily conservative (certainly not in the traditional sense).
Many are conservative by the definition I learned in high school: A conservative is someone who wishes to either maintain the status quo or return to a period of time in the past.
Alternatively a conservative is someone who wishes to keep what is good and works and change what is not good and/or not working.
That is a description of rational behavior not political ideology.
Not to mention that it is not how conservatism actually works on practice. "What is good" has always been very contextual, and what is good for one person may be not good and/or not working for most other people.
 
Alternatively a conservative is someone who wishes to keep what is good and works and change what is not good and/or not working.
And yet US conservatives worship the 2nd Amendment that has been so disastrous for the country.
 
I’d like to correct what I see as a misconception. Trump supporters are not necessarily conservative (certainly not in the traditional sense).
Many are conservative by the definition I learned in high school: A conservative is someone who wishes to either maintain the status quo or return to a period of time in the past.
Alternatively a conservative is someone who wishes to keep what is good and works and change what is not good and/or not working.
That is a description of rational behavior not political ideology.
Not to mention that it is not how conservatism actually works on practice. "What is good" has always been very contextual, and what is good for one person may be not good and/or not working for most other people.
And for conservatives, that’s part of the problem: Things ‘worked’ well for the people who really mattered: white men without significant disability. Women were great as long as they did what they were told and other people so long as they stayed in the shadows, silent, obedient, and quiet.

I know a fair number of conservatives (90% of my high school graduating class plus 90% of the county I grew up in) and very few are openly racist. Most do not consider themselves to be racist and will happily point out their friends, coworkers and fellow church goers who are not white or who were not necessarily born in the USA. A much smaller number are tolerant of anyone who is not heteronormative, if the topic comes up, which they’d much prefer it did not.

But they are very much nostalgia driven and genuinely do not see just how racist and sexist it was in our younger days and do not notice that none of our classmates who later came out as gay never show up at reunions, nor do the very very few classmates ( none in my graduating class) who's surnames were Spanish. Indeed, a few years ago, a firmer school mate several years older than me posted in the alumni FB page contradicting the extremely sanitized version of life in our town in the 60’s and 70’s. His post was extremely thoughtful, respectful and well written—and immediately decried by other members and taken down by admin. Only happy happy happy is allowed.

I know that I tend to over generalize my lived experience but I grew up in a small town surrounded by farmland and in that corner of the county, a large percentage of folks who were related to me one way or another. Most of that is gone, replaced by lots and lots of warehouses and fulfillment centers which have brought in a great number of minorities. My classmates who decry the changes mostly focus on the ugli-fication of our very plain Jane town don’t mention the threat of all the not white people living in the neighborhood. But it’s there, unspoken.

Change is hard for most people and among the hardest changes are those that come to people who struggled hard for what they have and fur all of their family before them who struggled before and who are now secure in their lot and are genuinely threatened by the change in order, or the change in the rules of the game as you will.

I don’t think it’s much different anywhere else. People living near the edge of poverty who only have what they do because of a lot of hard work on their part do not want to upset the world order that gave them a little piece of security. They don’t actually recognize that there were others living in the shadows, working even harder with fewer chances, whose only hope for survival was working hard and keeping quiet, at least in public.
 
I’d like to correct what I see as a misconception. Trump supporters are not necessarily conservative (certainly not in the traditional sense).
Many are conservative by the definition I learned in high school: A conservative is someone who wishes to either maintain the status quo or return to a period of time in the past.
Alternatively a conservative is someone who wishes to keep what is good and works and change what is not good and/or not working.
That is a description of rational behavior not political ideology.
Not to mention that it is not how conservatism actually works on practice. "What is good" has always been very contextual, and what is good for one person may be not good and/or not working for most other people.
And for conservatives, that’s part of the problem: Things ‘worked’ well for the people who really mattered: white men without significant disability. Women were great as long as they did what they were told and other people so long as they stayed in the shadows, silent, obedient, and quiet.

I know a fair number of conservatives (90% of my high school graduating class plus 90% of the county I grew up in) and very few are openly racist. Most do not consider themselves to be racist and will happily point out their friends, coworkers and fellow church goers who are not white or who were not necessarily born in the USA. A much smaller number are tolerant of anyone who is not heteronormative, if the topic comes up, which they’d much prefer it did not.

But they are very much nostalgia driven and genuinely do not see just how racist and sexist it was in our younger days and do not notice that none of our classmates who later came out as gay never show up at reunions, nor do the very very few classmates ( none in my graduating class) who's surnames were Spanish. Indeed, a few years ago, a firmer school mate several years older than me posted in the alumni FB page contradicting the extremely sanitized version of life in our town in the 60’s and 70’s. His post was extremely thoughtful, respectful and well written—and immediately decried by other members and taken down by admin. Only happy happy happy is allowed.

I know that I tend to over generalize my lived experience but I grew up in a small town surrounded by farmland and in that corner of the county, a large percentage of folks who were related to me one way or another. Most of that is gone, replaced by lots and lots of warehouses and fulfillment centers which have brought in a great number of minorities. My classmates who decry the changes mostly focus on the ugli-fication of our very plain Jane town don’t mention the threat of all the not white people living in the neighborhood. But it’s there, unspoken.

Change is hard for most people and among the hardest changes are those that come to people who struggled hard for what they have and fur all of their family before them who struggled before and who are now secure in their lot and are genuinely threatened by the change in order, or the change in the rules of the game as you will.

I don’t think it’s much different anywhere else. People living near the edge of poverty who only have what they do because of a lot of hard work on their part do not want to upset the world order that gave them a little piece of security. They don’t actually recognize that there were others living in the shadows, working even harder with fewer chances, whose only hope for survival was working hard and keeping quiet, at least in public.
It sounds like you could have grown up in the next town over from me.
 
I’d like to correct what I see as a misconception. Trump supporters are not necessarily conservative (certainly not in the traditional sense).
Many are conservative by the definition I learned in high school: A conservative is someone who wishes to either maintain the status quo or return to a period of time in the past.
Alternatively a conservative is someone who wishes to keep what is good and works and change what is not good and/or not working.
That is a description of rational behavior not political ideology.
Not to mention that it is not how conservatism actually works on practice. "What is good" has always been very contextual, and what is good for one person may be not good and/or not working for most other people.
And for conservatives, that’s part of the problem: Things ‘worked’ well for the people who really mattered: white men without significant disability. Women were great as long as they did what they were told and other people so long as they stayed in the shadows, silent, obedient, and quiet.

I know a fair number of conservatives (90% of my high school graduating class plus 90% of the county I grew up in) and very few are openly racist. Most do not consider themselves to be racist and will happily point out their friends, coworkers and fellow church goers who are not white or who were not necessarily born in the USA. A much smaller number are tolerant of anyone who is not heteronormative, if the topic comes up, which they’d much prefer it did not.

But they are very much nostalgia driven and genuinely do not see just how racist and sexist it was in our younger days and do not notice that none of our classmates who later came out as gay never show up at reunions, nor do the very very few classmates ( none in my graduating class) who's surnames were Spanish. Indeed, a few years ago, a firmer school mate several years older than me posted in the alumni FB page contradicting the extremely sanitized version of life in our town in the 60’s and 70’s. His post was extremely thoughtful, respectful and well written—and immediately decried by other members and taken down by admin. Only happy happy happy is allowed.

I know that I tend to over generalize my lived experience but I grew up in a small town surrounded by farmland and in that corner of the county, a large percentage of folks who were related to me one way or another. Most of that is gone, replaced by lots and lots of warehouses and fulfillment centers which have brought in a great number of minorities. My classmates who decry the changes mostly focus on the ugli-fication of our very plain Jane town don’t mention the threat of all the not white people living in the neighborhood. But it’s there, unspoken.

Change is hard for most people and among the hardest changes are those that come to people who struggled hard for what they have and fur all of their family before them who struggled before and who are now secure in their lot and are genuinely threatened by the change in order, or the change in the rules of the game as you will.

I don’t think it’s much different anywhere else. People living near the edge of poverty who only have what they do because of a lot of hard work on their part do not want to upset the world order that gave them a little piece of security. They don’t actually recognize that there were others living in the shadows, working even harder with fewer chances, whose only hope for survival was working hard and keeping quiet, at least in public.
It sounds like you could have grown up in the next town over from me.
The Midwest is the Midwest. People are people.
 
This seems like big news, and particularly relevant to this thread.
No one gives a shit what happens in Stockton. :(
Shootings there do appear to be dime a dozen.
This one happened on 12/2, just days later and is apparently only noteworthy because of what the victim did eight years ago.
Teen who notoriously livestreamed fatal crash is killed in shooting near Stockton

The case WAB posted is significant because of the number of victims and because some of them are children. It is clearly a mass shooting, although some will say it is not a True Scotsman Mass Shooting because it does not fit their political narrative.

This is an update on the case:
Stockton mass shooting: No updates on search for shooters as witnesses appear in court

Police do not have any suspects, and have not released any descriptions of the perps, but they say that they think it's gang related. Also, witnesses are reluctant to come forward.
I must say, shooting up a child's birthday party is quite a low move, even for gangs.
 
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That’s not a definition of conservative that I’m familiar with. While there are some who wish to tear down everything and start over, I think most of us see Musk and his Doge boys as sociopaths. Most rational people want to keep what works ( for them) and change what isn’t working. Can be applied equally to classic( non-Trumpism) conservative and progressive thinking.
Contemporary "progressives" often fetishize change without regard for consequences. Like seeing no problems with islamization in the West, or containing illiberal streams such as radical feminism, that seek change toward less individual freedom. That's why I call them "fauxgressives" - progressive in name, but not really.

But this is getting quite a bit off the topic of murder sprees though.
 
Police do not have any suspects, and have not released any descriptions of the perps, but they say that they think it's gang related.
Code for, they haven't got a suspect. They are blasting the local social media with requests to anyone in the public who knows anything, and it really makes you wonder about people if no one ever comes forward. But that is the most common outcome to such pleas.
 
That’s not a definition of conservative that I’m familiar with. While there are some who wish to tear down everything and start over, I think most of us see Musk and his Doge boys as sociopaths. Most rational people want to keep what works ( for them) and change what isn’t working. Can be applied equally to classic( non-Trumpism) conservative and progressive thinking.
Contemporary "progressives" often fetishize change without regard for consequences.
Much like the millions who voted for Trump.
 
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